Occam’s Razor and the Perpetuity of Evangelical Scandal

This is a very helpful article from Pastor Tom Chantry, reflecting on some hard truths about the state of what is currently called ‘Evangelicalism’. The issues raised in this article are actually relevant to believers in every denomination (as many of you would already know first-hand), and are worthy of serious consideration.

Along with a well-considered critique of modern Evangelicalism, Tom provides practical encouragement to those who belong to Christ in the face of daunting and pervasive challenges within the visible church:

Occam’s Razor and the Perpetuity of Evangelical Scandal

Occam’s Razor is the name given to the logical argument that the simplest theory to explain any given phenomena is likely the correct theory.  Since our judgment is often obstructed, we need to shave away needless assumptions and bits of argumentation in order to arrive at a reasonable understanding.  Scientists debate the legitimacy of the Razor as an empirical tool; certain complexities in nature (think of the construction of the living cell) suggest that complex explanations of material phenomena are often correct.  It is nevertheless a useful philosophical tool, particularly as a foundational principle of the common sense by which we ought to live.  If I awake in the morning to find branches from my trees scattered about the back yard, it is simpler to assume that we had a strong wind than it is to believe that demons attacked my trees during the night!  The sensible man will automatically adopt the simpler theory.

It is in this solid common-sense manner that I propose we apply Occam’s Razor to the latest evangelical scandal, whatever that scandal might happen to be.  Last week it was Steven Furtick’s intentionally provocative “God broke the law for love” clip.  A few weeks earlier it was Andy Stanley’s nastyaccusationsagainst small churches.  Years ago it was Mark Driscoll’s braggadocio about his belligerent bus-driving technique.  And of course we aren’t allowed to forget Perry Noble’s “Highway to Hell” Easter service, mainly because he keeps reminding us of it.

There have been a number of responses to Furtick’s latest departure from orthodoxy.  The best I have seen is Todd Pruitt’s point-by-pointexamination over at Mortification of Spin.  Among the other responses, however, a perplexing note has emerged.  Jared Wilson at The Gospel Coalition gets to the heart of what was wrong with the video, but only after sympathizing with what he assumes Furtick was trying to say.  The ever-polite Tim Challies, while critical, also enlightens us as to what Furtick intended to say.  Why the rush to exonerate?

When well-recognized evangelicals – particularly those who have never made any significant contribution to or defense of biblical doctrine and piety – make asinine statements about the gospel or engage in stunts which contradict all the tenets of Christian virtue, why do we feel the need to cover their indiscretion with a cloak of good Christian motives?  They themselves rarely seem to desire this!  The complex logical gymnastics by which we defend the men while questioning their words and actions are based upon one obstinate presupposition: because these men are evangelicals, they must be received as brothers in Christ and granted every advantage of our most gracious instincts.  This is, I suggest, a needless assumption which we ought to simply shave away.


Now at this point you might assume that I am going to argue from Furtick’s catastrophic misrepresentation of the gospel that he is, in fact, not saved.  Some of you are cheering me on, while some are already marshalling counter-arguments of charity and catholicity.  Actually, I feel no need to make such an argument about Furtick per se.  The fundamental assumption which ought to be abandoned is not so specific.  It isn’t merely that I think Furtick (or any other particularly embarrassing Christian celebrity) may not be a Christian, it is that I reject the idea that  any evangelical should  be automatically presumed regenerate.  Shave away our presumption, and not only the scandals du jourlisted above, but also a lot of the rest of evangelical history, suddenly make a lot more sense.  The simplest explanation is in this case both logical and correct.  The mere fact of being an evangelical is no safe indicator that anyone is a child of God.

Perhaps it will help to remember how we arrived at this assumption.  Back in my childhood, we divided Christendom into uncomplicated teams.  There was the team of Catholics, etc. (“et cetera” because we rarely encountered the Eastern Orthodox or various Middle Eastern strains, and when we did they looked to us like Catholics on steroids).  There was also the Mainline team, known for its modernism.  Members of neither of these teams were presumed to be saved, and for good reason.  Both had lost the gospel, and if anyone in their midst was actually a believer, it was clearly in spite of his church, not because of it.  So far, so good.  But then there was a third team called “evangelicalism,” and its members, we assumed, were all (or at least mostly) saved.  Perhaps I am oversimplifying.  Fundamentalists wanted to be on their own smaller team where everyone played by the same rules, but we tended to see them as the grumpy members of our team.  And of course there were a few big-R Reformed types who insisted that “Reformed” was never a subset of “evangelical,” but we thought of them as better-read but equally-grumpy Fundamentalists.  In our minds, big E was the saved team, and we accepted everyone that wore the right team colors as part of the Kingdom of Heaven.

Yet there is precious little in evangelicalism to justify such an assumption.  After all, the Scripture does suggest that there will be certain signs which, while they do not allow us infallibly to identify each true believer, will give us a sense of who should and who should not be called a brother.  Let us consider three of the very simplest:This process was exacerbated by the politicization of religion during the Reagan Revolution.  As the church accepted the premise that its task in the world was political, it necessarily also accepted that its strength was in its numbers.  Expansion of the term “evangelical” and even of the concept of salvation became a necessity.  A new socio-theological calculus produced a triangle with Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, and Orel Roberts at the vertices, and we were assured that everyone inside was both a brother in Christ and a reliable Republican vote.  To even question whether some of these folks were actually Christian was to weaken the political punch of the evangelical demographic.  Of course we’re all saved!  How can you question your teammates?

1. Actual Believers will understand, confess, and defend the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.(See, for instance, I Corinthians 15:1-5.) This gospel is, in brief, that Jesus, the Son of God who became true man, died for the sins of others and then rose so that they might have eternal life.  Some years ago White Horse Inn recorded answers to the question, “What is the gospel?” at a Christian booksellers’ convention, seeking to illustrate the paucity of gospel knowledge among evangelical Christians.  At the time I thought they were exaggerating their case, but that was before my experience in Christian education.  Four years of teaching the children of evangelicals demonstrated a sad reality: unless they attended either foreign language churches or confessionally Reformed churches, the evangelical kids not only didn’t believethe gospel; they had rarelyencountered it.

2. Actual Believers will decisively reject all counterfeit gospels.(SeeGalatians 1:6-9.) Not only is evangelicalism widely ignorant of the gospel, it is actually awash in various false gospels. Many simply cling to empty platitudes about being “on fire for God” or “having God in your life.”  Increasingly, though, evangelicalism is not preaching a content-less message, but one with terrible content.  The Prosperity Gospel, for instance, teaches that God wants to bless us with happiness in this world, and if we trust him to do so, we’ll be inevitable winners at life.  This is of course a complete rejection of the words of Jesus (see Matthew 5:11-12 and many other places), but it is the dominant theme of evangelical Christianity.  How else do we explain the Tim Tebow phenomenon, in which an athlete was considered a great Christian leader because of his championships at Florida?  How else do we explain the far more sinister Trump phenomenon, in which too many evangelicals are willing to accept an obvious degenerate’s claim that he is a “great Christian”?  Is it not because his ostentation looks like the sort of blessing promised by Osteen, Jakes, and others?

3. Actual Believers, while not morally perfect, will care about holiness and will strive to live according to God’s commands. (See I Corinthians 6:9-11.)  Evangelical piety has degenerated to the point that it now reflects the knee-jerk “Don’t judge me, bro!” ethics of the typical modern agnostic.  Having long ago rejected the fourth commandment on shaky theological grounds, and having never really had the sophistication to understand the second commandment, evangelicalism is now losing commandments at an accelerated rate.  Various forms of abuse keep popping up in the church. Years of easy divorce are giving way to confusion over sexuality.  Tomorrow’s evangelicalism looks likely to giggle at the idea of the seventh commandment as much as today’s evangelicalism snickers at the fourth.  Leading the charge are the evangelical pastors who demonstrate little of the dignity and sobriety which is to characterize God’s ministers.

So tell me, why do we accord the presumption of regeneration to every evangelical?  These trends are the very reason we recognize that most members of the Catholic and Mainline teams are not actual believers: they reject the true gospel in favor of false ones and do not demonstrate genuine biblical holiness.  How is evangelicalism different?  Once we shave away our false and unhelpful assumption, a far simpler explanation for the rolling scandals of the evangelical world emerges: a great many evangelical Christians are simply not saved.

To be perfectly clear, I am not at all implying that I have sufficiently examined Furtick (or any other member of the evangelical kakistocracy) to make any sort of pronouncement on his spiritual state.  He has not applied for membership in my church, nor did I sit on his ordination council (assuming the perhaps unlikely existence of such).  Perhaps the best element of Pruitt’s write-up on this particular scandal was this:

“Now, if any of this seems serious to my brothers and sisters in the North Carolina Convention of Southern Baptists then perhaps they can press for a meeting with Pastor Steven. Certainly they do not want to be associated with such serious error. Certainly.”

This places a certain burden squarely on those shoulders which deserve it.  It lies with the Southern Baptists to determine the answer to two critical questions: what is required in order to be a Southern Baptist pastor, and what does it mean to convene together with pastors who evidently do not fit that requirement? These are questions which I do not need to answer, and I do not pretend to have answered them.

My concern is much simpler: what am I, a Reformed Baptist pastor in a smallish church (but I repeat myself) supposed to think when Andy Stanley attacks my people, or when Steven Furtick – in what seems to have been one of his rare attempts to actually talk about the gospel – attacks the holiness of God?  Well, what do I think when the Pope says something moronic about Mary, or when some lesbian Methodist pastor is discovered in further scandal?  Why should I think anything?  I am not particularly shocked when the Pope or the Mainline minister acts like less than a true Christian, and frankly, the mere fact that someone is a pastor in an evangelical denomination doesn’t mean that much to me either.   Just because the folks at the Gallup Poll think the latter is on my “team” doesn’t mean I have to presume his regeneration.

No doubt these self-evident observations will seem terribly unkind, unloving, and un-Christian to many.  Perhaps Justin Taylor can even be convinced to call me a low-quality “discernment blogger” again, although he’d have to read past the title this time.  Given the likelihood of such a response, let me suggest three advantages of shaving away the idea of presumptive evangelical regeneration:

1. When I stop assuming that every evangelical is a fellow believer, it helps me to be a better neighbor. I am convinced that rejecting the risible myth that something like a quarter of my fellow Americans are genuine believers makes me a far better citizen of the Republic.  I can give up on the absurd notion that I live in a “Christian country,” and instead I can busy myself with seeking the good of the nation in which God placed me.  My political stance may be influenced by my faith (I agree with Dennis Prager that anyfaith makes one less susceptible to progressivism and statism), but my faith and my politics are not coterminous.  Most importantly, I can grant my neighbor the gospel rather than assume, most likely falsely, that he has already heard it.  This last holds true even if my neighbor is an evangelical; I have mentioned before that I have long considered my ministry in Christian school chapels to be mission work.  Knowledge of the gospel being so rare in the evangelical world, we do well to bear regular witness to it.

2. When I stop assuming that every evangelical is a fellow believer, it helps me to be more peaceful and more peaceable.How should I respond to the antics of evangelical superstars?  Let us take Furtick as an example, and let us be clear: he has never done anything to suggest that we ought to consider him a fellow believer.  (I am putting aside, you see, his evangelical ordination, which is meaningless.)  If I feel it necessary to respond, I will notfeel the need to charitably ascribe to him Christian motives which he evidently lacks!  It isn’t that I must ascribe badmotives, either.  I simply treat theological rubbish as theological rubbish.  Since I won’t be twisting myself into knots to say, “Look, I know this is heresy, but clearly he didn’t mean it,” I will be at far greater peace within myself.  On the other hand, neither do I need to kick and rage and scream about how awful it is, like the true watch-bloggers.  Did an evangelical super-star deny the gospel?  Well, is the Pope Catholic?  It’s not as though it’s something I’m going to fix.  If I do respond, it needn’t be with outrage, which means I’m not only at peace internally, I’m free to be peaceable with all men.

3. When I stop assuming that every evangelical is a fellow believer, it helps me to love the brethren. It is spring, s0 – even though while I write this snow is falling outside my study window – allow me a springtime metaphor.  On the rare occasions that I attend a Phillies game, it is almost never in Philadelphia.  Nevertheless, I always wear at the very least the appropriate red cap.  Furthermore, I always see others in red, because our phans “travel well,” even when our team is awful.  (Who am I kidding; that’s most of the time!)  If I walk into Miller Park in my bright red cap, the other phans and I will nod, wave, and generally acknowledge one another, all for no reason except that we are dressed similarly; we are “on” the same team.  Of course, I do not invite them into my home, concern myself with the well-being of their families, or share their joys and sorrows.  (Not, that is, beyond the general sorrow we all feel over Ryan Howard’s impossible contract.)  I suspect that this is what Christian fellowship has been reduced to.  Christians know that they are supposed to smile and nod when they see someone from their team, but they keep one another at arms’ length.  Why?  Is it not because, deep within themselves, they suspect that other “Christians” may not be true brothers?  When I discover a fellow-believer, it is not by such trivialities as his self-identification as an evangelical.  It is instead by his love of the gospel, his rejection of false gospels, and his concern for biblical holiness.  In other words, I’ve found a brother, even if we disagree on some of the particulars.  I’ve found someone to whom I can gladly extend the right hand of fellowship.

In this case, the simplest explanation really is best.  Many evangelicals are unsaved, and the world makes a lot more sense when we acknowledge it.

Source: Tom Chantry, Occam’s Razor and the Perpetuity of Evangelical Scandal, Chantry Notes, https://chantrynotes.wordpress.com/2016/04/11/occams-razor-and-the-perpetuity-of-evangelical-scandal/, Published 11/04/2016. (Accessed 11/04/2016.)


Breaking News: NAR Super Apostle Yonggi Cho to be audited (suspected of embezzling US$67 million)


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Once again, David Yonggi Cho is under investigation for financial mismanagement.

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David Yonggi Cho under investigation, suspected of embezzling US$67 million of funds

David Yonngi Cho is recognised in the New Apostolic Reformation cult as an International “Apostle”. He is Phil Pringle and Kong Hee’s personal mentor and recently spoke last month at Phil Pringle’s C3 Church in Sydney, Australia.

C3 Leaders Idolising Pringle’s Criminal Mentor Yonggi Cho & Misleading congregants

The Korea Times reports,

Tax agency set to audit Full Gospel Church

The National Tax Service (NTS) is set to audit the Yoido Full Gospel Church, targeting pastor David Yonggi Cho who is suspected of embezzling 80 billion won ($67 million) of funds, said officials of the church on Monday.

They said that the church’s pastor Lee Young-hoon told elders Sunday to prepare a room on the 11th floor of the Kookmin Ilbo’s main office in Yeouido, Seoul because the NTS will soon begin a tax audit against the world’s largest church. Kookmin is a daily newspaper run by the church.

“We will face the tax audit soon. That is the fact,” said an official of the church, asking not to be named.

The official admitted that the problem in the church is well-known to the public.

The NTS refused to comment on the issue, referring to privacy concerns for taxpayers. This is the first time that the tax authorities will have conducted an audit of the megachurch.

The announcement came while the prosecutors’ office is investigating Cho’s aides over allegedly embezzling church funds. He allegedly took 60 billion won of funds intended for overseas mission projects as well as an additional 20 billion won as severance pay without approval from the church.

The Seoul Central District Court sentenced the 80-year-old pastor to two and half years in jail with four years of suspension for inflicting 13.1 billion won of losses to the church and tax evasion worth 3.5 billion won by ordering church officials to buy stocks in his son’s company with church funds at a rate more expensive than the market price. His son Hee-joon was arrested after being sentenced to three years in prison.

Critics say that the collapse of Pastor Cho illustrates how deeply corrupt Korea’s megachurches are, after a rapid growth during the last few decades. A few years ago, SaRang Community Church, a Presbyterian church, drew criticism for establishing a luxury 14-story church building in the lucrative southern Seoul district of Seocho, spending 300 billion won.

The church’s pastor Oh Jung-hyun was also suspended from his job for six months in 2012 for plagiarizing his Ph.D thesis from the Potchefstroom University in South Africa. He was also accused of embezzling church funds during the construction of the new building. The church’s congregation has been split since then by those supporting Oh and those opposing him.

Source: By Kim Jae-won, Tax agency set to audit Full Gospel Church, The Korea Times reports, http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2016/03/488_200319.html, Published 14/03.2016. (Accessed 14/03/2016.)

C3 Leaders Idolising Pringle’s Criminal Mentor Yonggi Cho & Misleading congregants


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David Yonggi Cho has recently spoken at C3 Church Oxford Falls. What makes his invitation so scandalous is how C3 leadership are deliberately lying to their congregation in their attempt to cover up the fact that Yonggi Cho is a convicted criminal.

“Cho was charged with causing around 13.1 billion won in damages to his church and evading approximately 3.5 billion won in taxes in the process (embezzlement as defined in the Act on the Aggravated Punishment of Specific Economic Crimes). In addition, Pastor Cho’s oldest son Cho Hee-jun, 49, former chairman of the Yeongsan Christian Culture Center, was given a three-year prison sentence and taken into custody.” [Source]

Because of this, he is disqualified to pastor at all, ever again because of his criminal record, his unruly son, his public reputation and his love for money (Read 1&2 Timothy). We also consider Yoido Full Gospel Church a cult, considering “International Apostle” Cho is accountable to no one – not even his elders who tried to blow the whistle on his crimes:

“Yoido Full Gospel Church has suspended or expelled 28 elders for not withdrawing legal accusations against senior pastor David Yonggi Cho, 77.
The punishments are a form of retaliation for blowing the whistle on alleged misdeeds by Cho and his son Hee-jun, 48.” [Source] [Emphasis ours]

Yonggi’s disciple, Phil Pringle, has no allowing this cult leader, criminal and illegal pastor to speak at his church. Instead, Pringle recently stated on Instagram that Yonggi Cho has “Faced many challenges and has remained true”.

True to what Pringle?


Christian McCudden wrote on Instagram,

Amazing night in Sydney with Ps @philpringle and Dr Youngi Cho, amazing download of wisdom, faith and inspiration. #gratefulforourleaders

Source: Christian McCudden, Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/p/BCKgWA7LWxN6Yd42p8Gdsgiyw19JAWtg9AmMro0/, Published 24/02/2016. (Accessed 25/02/2016.)


Pringle put this out on Instagram,

Loved #Leaderstablesessions yesterday with Dr David Yonggi Cho from Seoul, who has led an 800,000 people congregation for many years. Faced many challenges and has remained true. 80th birthday. Thanks@john_pearce for hosting#superpastorsday @C3OF#powerofdreamsandvision Dr Cho speaks again tonight 7pm C3 Oxford Falls. All welcome. #seeyouinchurch

Source: Phil Pringle, Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/p/BCL-srgNP16/, Published 25/02/2016. (Accessed 25/02/2016.)


[More C3 hero worship will be posted here as they surface.]

The pagan teachings of Yonggi Cho


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Have you had difficulty explaining the dangers of David Yonggi Cho’s teachings to friends or family?

The teachings of David Yonggi Cho’s ‘Fourth Dimension’ has infected millions of churches around the world. Many church leaders are not aware how foreign these teachings on “faith” are from the historical Christian faith.


In this article, we have attempted to capture the complicated Fourth Dimension teachings of Yonggi Cho into a “simple” diagram. We hope this resource helps people discern the  blatant pagan mysticism in David Yonggi Cho’s “Laws of the Fourth Dimension” philosophy. (All quotes in this article are taken from Yonggi Cho’s book ‘The Fourth Dimension’ Volume 1, 1979.)


Keep in mind these beginning quotes from David Yonggi Cho and ask yourself throughout this article:

  1. Does he contradict himself?
  2. Does the “Holy Spirit” that gave him this fourth dimension revelation contradict the Holy Spirit that wrote the scripture?
  3. What specific scriptures do you think can refute some of the things he says?


“I was amazed coming to America and reading the books some American ministers gave me, for these books had almost made the subconscious into an almighty god, and that is a great deception. The subconscious has certain influence, but it is quite limited, and cannot create like our Almighty God can. I have begun to see in America the Unitarian Church try to develop the subconscious, the fourth dimension of the human spirit, and put that human spirit in the place of Jesus Christ; this indeed is great deception, and a great danger.” pg. 30

“I fasted and prayed, seeking the faith of the Lord, and His answers. Then a glorious revelation came to my heart, and I received a clear explanation. And from that time on I began to explain these things through my lectures in my church in Korea. Now I can give a satisfying reply to any of those questions, and I can easily give explanations, explanations as clear as a sunny day. Let me explain it to you.” pg. 26


You’ll notice that once all the Christianese is removed, the Fourth Dimension doesn’t come across remotely Christian. To help encapsulate his teaching, we will break this diagram down so you can see how Cho teaches on the Fourth Dimension.

1. First dimension…


“When you study geometry you put up two points, one here, and one there, and if you draw a line between the two you call it one dimension. It is just one line between the points, one dimension.” pg. 26-27

2. Second dimension…


“But if you add line upon by the hundreds of thousands, then one dimension naturally creates a second dimension.” pg. 27

3. Third dimension…


“And if you stack up planes one upon another then it becomes cubic; this is called the third dimension. The material world and the whole earth belong to the third dimension.” pg. 27


4. Fourth dimension…


“This chaotic world belonged to the third dimension, but the Holy Spirit, who is pictured here incubating on the third dimension, belongs to the fourth dimension. So the spiritual kingdom of faith belongs to the fourth dimension.” pg. 27

5. The human heart penetrates all dimensions…


“Then God spoke to my heart, “Son, as the second dimension includes and controls the first dimension, and the third dimension includes and controls the second dimension, so the fourth dimension includes and controls the third dimension, producing a creation of order and beauty. The spirit is the fourth dimension. Every human being is a spiritual being as well as physical being. They have the fourth dimension as well as the third dimension in their hearts.”” pg. 28

6. We incubate things from the fourth dimension into the third dimension…


“So men, by exploring their spiritual sphere of the fourth dimension through the development of concentrated visions and dreams in their imaginations, can brood over and incubate the third dimension, influencing and changing it. This is what the Holy Spirit taught me.” pg. 28 “The Bible says that faith is the substance of things hoped for, a substance which first has a stage of development- of incubation- before its usage can be full and effective.” pg. 1

7. The four basic steps to the process of incubation (the law of faith)…


“There are four basic steps to the process of incubation.” pg. 1

8. a) … “Envision a Clear-cut Objective” pg. 2


9. b) … “Have A Burning Desire” pg. 13


10. c) … “Pray for Assurance” pg. 14


11. d) … “Speak the Word” pg. 18


12. There are three types of spirit in the universe…


“In the universe there are three types of spirit – the Holy Spirit, the spirit of the devil, and the human spirit.” pg. 26


13. The three languages of the Holy Spirit are faith…


“There are, however,  certain ways your faith works, and links you to the Heavenly Father who dwells within you…  First, to use your faith you must be able to envision a clear-cut objective. Faith is the substance of things, clear-cut things, hoped for.” pg. 1-2


14. … Visions and dreams…



“But we are so limited in space and time, and the only way for us to incubate is through our imaginations, through our visions and dreams. This is the reason the Holy Spirit comes to cooperate with us – to create, by helping young men to see visions, and old men to dream dreams. Through envisioning and dreaming dreams we can kick away the wall of limitations, and can stretch out to the universe.” pg. 31 “Visions and dreams are the language of the fourth dimension, and the Holy Spirit communicates through them.” pg. 32


15. There is an evil fourth dimension and a divine fourth dimension…


“The Holy Spirit said to me, “Look at the Sokagokkai. They belong to Satan; the human spirit joins up with the spirit of the evil fourth dimension.” pg. 28. “People would come and challenge me, “We can do the same miracles.” I would say, “Yes, I know you can. […] You are linked to the evil fourth dimension.” pg. 29. “While we do recognize certain realities and truths in these teachings, it is also important to realize that the devil  occupies an evil fourth dimension.” pg. 30.



“Miracles come not by blindly struggling. There are laws in the spiritual realm, and you have endless resources in your heart.” pg. 20

“I cannot carry out my ministry of winning souls by simply knocking on doors, struggling and working myself to death. I use the way of faith, and the church is growing in leaps and bounds.” pg. 36

“God wants to manifest Himself through you today, just as He manifested Himself through Christ 2,000 years ago. He is just as powerful as He was before, and He is depending upon you. I claim that I could build a church which has more than 10,000 members very easily in the States, as well as in Germany or in Tokyo, for the vision for a church is not built in the external world, but inside a man or woman.” pg. 20

Egg Head David Yonggi Cho

Phil Pringle invites convicted felon, Yonggi Cho, to speak at C3 Church Oxford Falls.


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“Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood. I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock; and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.” Acts 20:28-30

We here at ChurchWatch have followed, and documented the scandal Dr Yonggi Cho was involved in. It was not long ago that this man was found guilty of serious charges. On 20 February 2014, Cho was found guilty of tax evasion, sentenced to three years imprisonment, suspended for five years, and fined the equivalent of almost $5 million. His oldest son Cho Hee-jun was sentenced to three years imprisonment. The charges arose from Cho’s church purchasing shares from his son’s church at above market value and fraudulently claiming tax relief.

To this day, Phil Pringle continues to lie by omission, praising Yonggi Cho but neglecting to tell his church of Cho’s crimes.

David Yonggi Cho Church Fraud Investigation? (Part 6) Ps David Yonggi Cho – Convicted

“Cho was charged with causing around 13.1 billion won in damages to his church and evading approximately 3.5 billion won in taxes in the process (embezzlement as defined in the Act on the Aggravated Punishment of Specific Economic Crimes). In addition, Pastor Cho’s oldest son Cho Hee-jun, 49, former chairman of the Yeongsan Christian Culture Center, was given a three-year prison sentence and taken into custody.”

It comes to our attention that Phil Pringle has invited this false prophet to speak at C3 Church this Thursday February 25. We leave it up to our readers to decide on the appropriateness of this invitation for Yonggi Cho to speak as a church “leader” rather than as a convicted felon, (a person convicted in a court of law of a felony crime).

David Yonggi Cho is not only a false (which disqualifies him from Christianity), he also has disqualified himself as a Christian pastor. These are the requirements of a pastor:

“An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity.” 1 Timothy 3:3 (Emphasis ours.)

The things we highlighted in bold are areas he failed in relation to the financial scandal he was involved in and how he ruthlessly treated his elders. And because Cho is a swindler, why is Pringle inviting David Yonggi Cho to speak as though he is a figure of high integrity? Pringle is directly opposing Christ, His Word and His Church with this clear command in scripture:

“But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler– not even to eat with such a one.” 1 Corinthians 5:11

And yet C3 hypocritically state “we love Jesus and people”?

C3 Church Oxford Falls stated on their instagram,

We love Jesus and people. Sat 5pm + Sun 830am 10am 6pm Oxford Falls // Sun 10am Wahroonga + Avalon + Manly // #everyONEmatters#sydneyacityforchrist www.c3churchjournal.com/news-on-the-go/

Source: C3 Church Oxford Falls, Instagram, https://www.instagram.com/p/BBioskhQN09/, Published 09/02/2016. (Accessed 09/02/2016.)


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Yoido Full Gospel church in decline?


We wish to correct the below news article. It is misleading to call Yoido Full Gospel “Church” a church. It is a PDL/COP/HAW/NAR/WOF/ISL cult.


Cho has simply used the philosophies of modern day cults to mislead many Christian churches to believe that he is a legitimate Christian minister. He is not. (In fact, he has helped pioneer some of these dangerous cult movements.)

His theology and gospel do not reflect the historic Christian faith but rather a faith that is against genuine Christianity (see his work on the Fourth Dimension). The below article seems to suggest he has not kept up with the false PDL or the NAR teachings on youth recruitment. Then again, many youth who do know how to browse the web in Korea are probably learning the truth that Yoido Full Gospel does not reflect Christianity.

UCA News reports,

Signs of vulnerability for Korean megachurch

Scandal, aging population test Yoido after years of explosive growth

It’s midnight on a recent Tuesday at Yoido Full Gospel Church in Seoul, and though many seats are empty, 300 people still sing and wave their hands to a catchy gospel tune. A few in attendance — almost all look over 50 years old — remain asleep.

“Feel the Holy Spirit,” chants the pastor, his assistant performing a kind of gospel rap into a microphone.

Some 830,000 people are members of Yoido, making it the largest church congregation in the world. But scandal and changing lifestyles mean the church faces stagnation after unprecedented growth in recent decades.

In February last year, Yoido’s founder, Pastor David Yonggi Cho, 79, was found guilty of embezzling 13 billion won (US$12 million). He received a three-year term suspended for five years and a fine of nearly US$5 million. Oldest son Cho Hee-jun remains behind bars serving a three-year term after he sold shares to Yoido at inflated prices.

“God forbid, if God calls me back today, I will still be able to go to the Kingdom of God,” Cho said in his first Sunday service following the verdict.

After one of the church’s toughest years, a Yoido spokesman said the church had escaped a negative impact on its growth because Cho had already retired. In 2011, he resigned as Yoido’s chairman three years after stepping down as senior pastor in a deal that meant prosecutors would delay filing a case.

Cho was replaced by Pastor Young Hoon Lee, a fluent Japanese and English speaker who has led Yoido missions overseas.

“He is leading the church to elevate us to a higher level and is not bound by a 70-year-old’s mind — Pastor Cho’s generation — while keeping the main values of the church’s beliefs,” Yoido’s public relations department wrote in an emailed response. “So although we met an unexpected situation with Pastor Cho, the church is still solid and we expect more growth of the church in this decade.”

Growth and stagnation

Outside Yoido’s main church on the Han River island of the same name, there were few signs of discontent this month. A 50-year-old member who gave only her surname, Kim, said she joined six years ago and had no thought of leaving Yoido.

“Pastor Cho’s speech always makes me feel good,” she said, referring to Cho’s continued appearances at Sunday services following his retirement.

Even if church members remain loyal, statistics and projections by experts suggest Yoido may struggle to match the staggering growth of previous years.

Started in 1958, the church held its first service in a Seoul living room where Cho and a co-pastor claimed to have performed a miracle in curing a paralyzed woman.

As the congregation swelled, the church was forced to relocate to a tent. By 1961, a brick-and-mortar church had been built and opened in downtown Seoul.

A move to the capital’s Yoido Island in 1973 gave the church its current name and the impetus for growth that accelerated into the 1980s. By 1992, the Guinness Book of World Records confirmed Yoido’s claims to the world’s largest congregation with 700,000 members.

Yoido says the secret of its success has been a “cell system” whereby congregation networks brought in new members, and gently prod those who miss religious services too often.

The church has paired innovative micromanagement with a philosophy focusing on the grandiose. The main church building in Seoul holds 12,000 people with overflow in adjoining sanctuaries featuring large screens. Religious services — at least 25 every week, around the clock — are broadcast on TV channels in South Korea and overseas. The message is one of healing and helping ever larger numbers find the Holy Spirit.

“People experienced the power and grace of the Gospel in their real lives. Then they brought others,” said the Yoido spokesman.

The church has also been helped by circumstance. Seoul’s population has exploded amid rapid economic growth in recent decades — in 2012, the city area was home to nearly 26 million people, one of the world’s largest metropolitan areas in terms of population. South Korea’s capital boasts 17 megachurches — defined as 2,000-plus attending each week. This is more than any city outside of the United States.

Another key factor aiding megachurch growth has been tax, or lack thereof. Government lobbying means South Korea’s powerful, and wealthy, religious groups have not been required to pay tax although some faiths — including the Catholic Church — have voluntarily done so in recent years.


However, perceived greed has damaged the reputations of South Korean megachurches, says Caleb Kwang-eun Shin, a lecturer at Korea Baptist Theological Seminary in Daejeon.

Pastor Cho’s conviction last year will not necessarily define Yoido’s future, he says. But whispers of impropriety have plagued Yoido and some other South Korean megachurches for years, turning people off.

“The scandals of megachurch pastors are very important,” says Shin. “Korean Churches have lost their role models and orientation.”

Even before the scandals hit, signs suggested Yoido’s membership may have peaked. After reaching 1 million members by the late 1990s, numbers reportedly fell to 830,000 in 2007. Eight years on, Yoido has the same membership, the church spokesman said on Sept. 14.

Faithful are not necessarily changing values and switching teams. The main challenge has been replacing aging members, says Michael Begin, a professor of Global Studies at Busan National University.

South Korea registered the lowest fertility rate in the world last year at 1.1 births per woman, according to the World Health Organization.

“[This] points to a huge challenge for megachurches to maintain replacement levels of recruitment,” says Begin.

Many South Korean megachurches have ramped up expansion outside of Seoul to smaller cities and suburbs, and increasingly overseas, in a bid to turn the tide. Churches like Yoido may also have to revise what they preach to return to growth, says Scott Thumma, professor of sociology of religion at Hartford Institute of Religion Research.

“It will be interesting to watch and see if South Korean megachurches moderate their theology as the society becomes increasingly postmodern and secular. And if they continue to be able to appeal to the newer generations of high-tech young adults,” he says.

Source: Signs of vulnerability for Korean megachurch, UCA News, http://www.ucanews.com/news/signs-of-vulnerability-for-korean-megachurch/74269, Accessed 16/09/2015. (Accessed 17/09/2015.)

David Yonggi Cho and Ken Sumrall’s “prophecy” over Pensacola


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David Yonggi Cho played a significant role in the dangerous Pensacola Revival in America. Wikipedia offers a reasonable description of the controversial Pensacola event:

Brownsville/Pensacola ‘Revival’

Brownsville Assemblies of God writes,




Hunger for God, love for his people, and a heart for missions characterized the new Brownsville Assembly of God, chartered in 1939. As the 20-member church experie nced rapid growth, few could have foreseen the powerful way God would someday reach through their church to touch the nations, as prophesied even at that early date.This hunger and passion passed through upcoming generations, becoming integrally interwoven into Brownsville’s fabric and character. By 1943, the now 60-member church built a larger sanctuary and initiated a strong missions thrust.

Attendance exploded, guiding Brownsville to a third, then fourth sanctuary. Ministries emerged, ranging from the “Glory House” prayer ministry to radio, missions, and bus outreaches, and Christian education through both a Christian academy and a Southeastern Bible College extension.

Growth, a strong prayer commitment, and an expanding missions emphasis became church hallmarks. As the Rev. John Kilpatrick assumed the pastorate in 1982, Brownsville surged forward in even greater growth and outreach, finally leading to the construction of its fifth and current sanctuary in 1991.

Through the years, Brownsville has become known as a church of integrity, where holiness is preached, prayer is central, and a heart for the nations is keynote. Led by Pastor Kilpatrick, a 2-year prayer initiative for revival began in 1993, culminating in 1995 in what is now called the Pensacola Outpouring or the Brownsville Revival.


Little marked Father’s Day 1995 as more than routine. Families filed into the Brownsville sanctuary to celebrate dad’s special day. Visiting missionary-evangelist Steve Hill approached the pulpit to detail his recent Holy Spirit encounter at Holy Trinity Church, Brompton, England, his contagious enthusiasm sparking anticipation. Soon Hill invited attendees for prayer, but Father God revealed a different agenda. As members surged forward, God intervened to pour out His Spirit in an amazing visitation that continues today.

The following months featured service followed by service, attendees leaving in the wee hours to glean a little sleep, work a few hours, then return to this powerful deposit of God’s presence. Nightly, Rev. Hill shared fresh, anointed messages and cast his nets, drawing in souls touched by God’s convicting power as teen Charity James sang with urgent appeal the summons, Mercy Seat. Word spread, beckoning the hungry and the desperate from nearby communities, then surrounding states, the nation, and finally the world. Worshipers from nearly every continent flocked to the West Pensacola suburb of Brownsville to receive a touch from the Father.

Rocked by the sudden visitor inflow and awed by this Holy Visitation, Pastor Kilpatrick, Rev. Hill, Pastor’s assistant, Rose Compton, and church leaders strategized to accommodate the sudden response. Leadership scheduled four weekly revival services. Brownsville Prayer, Usher, and Personal Ministry teams, supported by other community churches, mobilized to host the guests. For more than eight years, visitors arrived, hungry, to leave powerfully changed.

Over ten years later, God continues to meet visitors from the nations. Millions have come, hungry to hear from God. Hundreds of thousands have responded to His call to salvation and a commitment to holiness, and a fresh charge has issued throughout the world for holiness and fresh intimacy with God.

Revival Foretold

Prior to revival, several key prophecies foretold of revival coming to America, including the following from Dr. David Yonggi Cho of Korea and Rev. Ken Sumrall, founder of Liberty Fellowship.

Prophecy of Dr. David Yongii Cho

In 1993, Dr. David Yonggi Cho, pastor of the Yoido Full Gospel Church, Seoul, Korea, the world’s largest church, conducted a meeting in Seattle, Washington. As he prayed for revival in America, he questioned, “God are you going to send revival to America, or is she destined for judgment?” The Lord instructed him to get a map of America.

He did so, and the Holy Spirit told him to point his finger at the map. As he did, he felt his finger drawn to the Florida panhandle and to the city of Pensacola. “I am going to send revival to the seaside city of Pensacola, and it will spread like a fire until all of America has been consumed by it,” said the Lord to Dr. Cho. Dr. Cho shared his experience with others and the word predictably spread to many of the pastors in the Pensacola area.

Prophecy of Dr. Ken Sumrall

Some time later, a Mobile, Alabama, Church of God pastor (70 miles away from Pensacola) inquired of Dr. Cho. “Dr. Cho, there’s been a rumor that you have prophesied a great revival in America to begin in Pensacola, Florida. Is there any truth to this?” he asked. “No rumah! No rumah!” said Dr. Cho in his broken English. “Received vision; revival will come!”

Dr. John Hurston, former associate and spiritual mentor of Dr. Cho, attests to Dr. Cho’s vision and prophesy. In reporting on the Pensacola revival at the Assemblies of God national convention in St. Louis on August 12, 1995, Loren Triplett, Foreign Missions Director for the Assemblies of God related this vision and prophecy with Dr. Cho in the audience.

In October, 1979, Rev. Ken Sumrall gave the following prophecy at Liberty Church in Pensacola, Florida.

“The time is at hand for a special visitation of the Spirit of God upon you. Heretofore you have tasted of the good things of My Spirit, but compared with the new outpouring the former things will seem as dew and a flood. Sweeping over My people like a glorious tidal wave, all will be effected. Time will be forgotten as meetings will last for hours. Hearts will be melted as My Spirit, like a flame to fire, refines and cleanses. There will be much weeping and sobbing as sin is seen as exceeding sinful and as Calvary’s love washes them away.

“Youth, yes, even the very young, will be drunk with new wine and burn with fervor, oblivious to anything and everything but obedience to Jesus.

“They too will fall in divine awe before My feet, and former rebellions will be cast away. This flame will spread like a forest fire. Prayer will be the main event of the church. Hundreds will be converted. Be prepared to baptize 200 new believers at one service.

“Homes will be renewed and love will flow like a river. Singles will lose their lust for marriage and be knit together in a holy communion. Then my Spirit shall guide them in service for Me. Some will be led to marry, but others will lose all desire for marriage and be wholly Mine to spread the Word they have learned.

“Honor My Spirit. Yield to Him. Hear what He says through My proven prophets. New leaders will be needed as a host of new believers will need care. Some leaders who do not respond to My Spirit will be swept aside as I move to lift up a standard against the evil one. For those who hear will come a great refreshing, saith the Lord.

“Be full of My Spirit and ready to obey Him. I will give a new spirit of discernment to the leaders which will reveal the counterfeit and the fleshy. Walk softly before Me and a holy awe will prevail. The critics will not be able to hinder. Theirs words shall be swept away before My wave of love and joy. Nor will one man or a few receive glory. I will move upon broken vessels and the fire of My Spirit will break out in homes where My people meet, who seek My face and walk humbly before Me.

“Old men and young men shall rejoice together. Fathers and sons shall glorify Me together. Though the evil one shall attempt to hinder, I will give you overcoming faith and you shall prevail as My Spirit is honored and obeyed. He shall cause My Name to be lifted up in your midst.”


Brownsville Assembly of God is humbled by the mighty outpouring of God’s Presence since Father’s Day 1995. So many miraculous things have happened and all praise belongs to Him.

Prior to God’s visitation, He began laying the groundwork at Brownsville. Throughout the Revival, Pastor Kilpatrick has identified several key areas to preparing the soil for revival, including teaching by Rev. Dick Reuben, a deeper prayer focus, weekly communion services, and ministry by the McGregor’s from South Africa.

Prayer Initiative

Two-and-one-half years prior to revival, Pastor Kilpatrick responded to God’s prompting to make Brownsville a house of prayer in an even deeper sense. He promptly set aside tradition to designate the Sunday evening service as a prayer service, with members responding in true Brownsville commitment. Soon, the concept of a banner ministry became an integral part of the Sunday prayer meetings.

Ten beautiful prayer banners, each serving solely as a contact point for focused prayer for major prayer needs, were beautifully prepared under the direction of member Jennifer Colley. These banners included the categories of Spiritual Warfare, Revival, Souls, Family, Our Country, Healing, Pastors, Schools, Ministries, and The Peace of Jerusalem. The Children’s banner and the Catastrophic Events banner were added later

Appointed banner leaders for each banner topic solicited prayer needs during each prayer meeting and led prayer around the banners. After banner prayer time, Pastor Kilpatrick then led the congregation in corporate prayer. God’s power and Presence were so strong in these Sunday night prayer meetings that Brownsville’s Sunday evening attendance began to increase.

When revival broke out, an Intercessory Prayer Team was formed to undergird each service with focused prayer. Their prayers, coupled with the weekly intercessory prayer meetings, now on Thursday evenings, prepared and continue to prepare the way for revival.

Weekly Communion & The Pastoral Blessing

Rev. Dick Reuben, had sown into Brownsville rich teachings throughout the years. As the time for God’s visitation approached, He too played a key role.

Although Brownsville had celebrated a monthly Lord’s Supper service for many years, Brother Reuben’s teaching led Brownsville into a much deeper revelation and appreciation for Holy Communion. His Golden Altar service so profoundly affected the church that a Weekly Communion Service was instituted and became a vital, meaningful part of each Sunday morning service.

In conjunction with the Weekly Communion, Pastor Kilpatrick shared teaching about the power and mystery of a blessing, opening up from the Word the power found in a blessing. He then prepared and began to pronounce a weekly blessing over the entire congregation. The Council of Deacons also pronounces a blessing over the pastoral staff.

Setting the Atmosphere for Revival

Just prior to revival, the McGregors, South African brothers ministering in powerfully anointed music ministry, visited Brownsville to conduct a series of revival services. The heightened presence of the Holy Spirit during these services led many to wonder what might be happening in the spiritual realm, and when revival shortly broke out, the concensus was that these services has done much to prepare the spiritual atmosphere for God’s mighty visitation. hinder, I will give you overcoming faith and you shall prevail as My Spirit is honored and obeyed. He shall cause My Name to be lifted up in your midst.

Why Brownsville?

While we cannot explain why God has chosen to move in our church and community, we feel that the things described above may have helped to prepare the atmosphere for what He planned at Brownsville. As for the timing of the revival, again God’s timetable is not ours. Pastor Kilpatrick had just lost his mother and from a natural perspective, no one would have thought that God would choose such a time to move, but that was exactly what did!

In conclusion, we cannot tell you why God chose this place or this time for such a mighty move of His spirit! All we can say to you is that we, like you, are hungry, and now know that we will always want more of God. We yearn for His Presence and feel incredibly honored that He chose to visit this place. As Pastor Kilpatrick urged our congregation during the early years of revival, we seek to always guard that we would be a blessing to Holy Spirit and that “the Dove would never fly away.

A School Was Born

With revival came the fruit of revival, hundreds of thousands of souls committed to a fresh walk with God. Hungry seekers relocated to Pensacola to dwell in the constant atmosphere of God’s presence. The need became clear: A vehicle to disciple and equip the new believers. In January 1997, the Brownsville Revival School of Ministry (BRSM) opened its doors to a 125-member pioneer class.

A Forerunner Church

In October 2003, as visitors continued to visit the Revival and reports flowed in of God’s Spirit moving throughout the globe, Pastor Kilpatrick resigned his 22-year pastorate to answer God’s apostolic call. Fulfilling prophecy by known prophets in recent years, Brownsville became known as a forerunner church. By overwhelming majority, in 2003, the Brownsville membership elected Pastors Randy and Suzann Feldschau to lead Brownsville into pioneering the apostolic ministry that is emerging in these last days. In April, 2006 Pastors Randy and Suzann tendered their resignation, answering the Lord’s Call to return to their home state of Texas to pastor.

In late summer of 2006, after seeking God for many months, an overwhelming majority vote of the congregation brought Dr. Evon G. Horton to be the new Senior Pastor. Prior to coming to Brownsville, Dr. Horton pastored Mississauga Gospel Temple in Canada and was President of Master’s College and Seminary in Toronto. Pastor Evon is on the Canadian and U.S. Board for Benny Hinn Ministries and also Bill Hybels Ministries. He is a bridge to different denominations, governmental officials, and the lost and hurting. The new season at Brownsville has begun!

Source: About, Brownesville, http://brownsvilleag.org/about/history/?view=mobile, Accessed 02/09/2015.

Yonggi Cho indoctrinating CGI board and Christians at Asia Conference with paganism


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A website called ‘David Cho Evangelistic Mission’ reports on Asia Conference that was hosted by Kong Hee of City Harvest Church. The report states that “The 2nd Asia Conference and the 24th Church Growth International (CGI) Conference were held as a combined conference for five days at Singapore Expo Halls, from May 26-30.”

This article also reports on the fact that David Yonggi Cho is still indoctrinating the CGI board with his pagan teachings on the ‘Fourth Dimension’ (which we are still examining on this site).

These are the people who are on the CGI Board of Directors who would have attended the event. The people on this pastafia are heavily influential in spreading anti-Christian teachings and methods around the world. Important and very influential women in this list include popular frauds as C. Peter Wagner, Andrew Evans, Robert Schuller, Kong Hee, Phil Pringle, Jack Hayford, Richard Bernal, Marilyn Hickey, Ulf Ekman, Benny Hinn, Bob Rodgers, David Sumrall, Abraham Tanuseputra and Prince Guneratnam.


What is interesting about this article is that it reports what Yonggi Cho taught about what he thinks it means to a be a Christian (a common tactic that many heretics use to control and manipulate people in the church today). This is proof that to this day, Cho believes that a true man of faith, is a man that follows his pagan Fourth Dimension teachings. Cho teaches,

“The secret weapon during the past 50 years of my ministry has been fourth-dimensional spirituality. Men of faith who are equipped with fourth-dimensional spirituality can make the impossible become possible and can exert great power to expand the kingdom of God and to build the Church.”

This quote itself proves that David Yonggi Cho’s teachings oppose the teachings of Jesus considering this is what Christ himself said:

“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” Matthew 19:26

It is clear that David Yonggi Cho is not a Christian if he is claiming to do things as a man that are impossible. Once again, Cho is spouting pagan teaching found in his book ‘The Fourth Dimension’ which is visualisation practice found in New Age movements and not in Christianity:

“Be a person of fourth-dimensional spirituality by visualizing the invisible world as a visible one.”

This teaching is only indoctrinating popular leaders to spread straight up paganism (disguised as Christianity) in the Christian church.

Asia Conference and Church Growth International Conference Held

30,000 People from 70 Nations Gather to Pray

Asia Conference

The 2nd Asia Conference and the 24th Church Growth International (CGI) Conference were held as a combined conference for five days at Singapore Expo Halls, from May 26-30.

This international conference was coordinated by Church Growth International and organized by City Harvest Church in Singapore, who hosted the conference for the 30,000 people from 70 countries who attended.

World-renowned pastors were invited to speak for the conference: Yonggi Cho, Reinhard Bonnke, Phil Pringle, A. R. Bernard, Kim Sunghae Cho, Younghoon Lee, and Kong Hee.

The Singapore Expo Halls where the conference was held were overflowing with fervent prayer and praise. The conference attendees prayed earnestly in one accord for revival fire to be unleashed in Asia once again, to evangelize the whole world with the Gospel.

The grandiose opening session of the conference started at 9 a.m. on May 26. When the attendees heard a spirited shout and drum corps, they broke out into cheers as they saw flag-bearers march in representing their 70 countries, all dressed in their national costumes.
Yonggi ChoThe conference was organized by City Harvest Church (Pastor Kong Hee), the largest church in Singapore. For this event, City Harvest Church prepared for three Singapore Expo Halls to be used at the same time so that 10,000 people could attend the conference in each hall simultaneously.

Founded by Dr. Cho and attended by interdenominational pastors, the Church Growth International (CGI) conference has become a gathering for pastors, church leaders, missionaries, and cell-group leaders who want to learn more about church growth. At this conference from May 26 to May 30, Dr. Cho preached about the core of fourth-dimensional spirituality: thinking, faith, dreams and words.

In the first morning session, Dr. Cho disclosed, “The secret weapon during the past 50 years of my ministry has been fourth-dimensional spirituality.

Men of faith who are equipped with fourth-dimensional spirituality can make the impossible become possible and can exert great power to expand the kingdom of God and to build the Church.”

Dr. Cho gave examples of Abraham, David, and Caleb, explaining, “These men of faith who went forward with fourth-dimensional faith from the third dimensional world fulfilled the will of God.” He continued, “All Christians must count the stars in the sky with faith after coming out of their own tent. Be a person of fourth-dimensional spirituality by visualizing the invisible world as a visible one.

On the evening of May 25, a reception was held at the Ritz-Carlton Millenia Singapore for 400 pastors, Singaporean celebrities, main speakers, and CGI board members. Several pastors at the reception who have experienced church growth under Dr. Cho’s influence shared the grace of God by giving their testimonies.

Asia Conference 2

Source: Asia Conference and Church Growth International Conference Held 30,000 People from 70 Nations Gather to Pray, David Cho Evangelistic Mission, http://davidcho.com/neweng/Main_News.asp?nsel=&no=82, Accessed 20/07/2015.

Review of Fourth Dimension: Ch 1 – How blind Bartimaeus birthed his eyes through prayer?


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Over the last number of articles, we have examined how “Dr” David Yonggi Cho has made up his own theology through his delusional experiences and misapplication of scriptural passages.

Please note: NOTHING so far has even closely supported or justified David Yonggi Cho’s theology.

However, David Yonggi Cho’s teachings have affected many ministers such as:

  • Robert Schuller of the Crystal Cathedral,
  • Phil Pringle of C3 Church,
  • Kong Hee of City Harvest Church,
  • Frank & Brian Houston of Hillsong,
  • The Evans’ of the Australian AOG, Planetshakers and Influencers Church,
  • Rick Warren of Saddleback Curch.
  • And many more.

This article will be looking at how David Yonggi Cho once again tries to justify his false theology by using the scripture of blind Bartmimaeus in his book “The Fourth Dimension.”


To make sense of this article, it is necessary to read our previous articles exposing how David Yonggi Cho has further progressed into a belief system that does not reflect the historic Christian faith.

Review of Fourth Dimension: Ch 1 – Prophet Cho talks to omni-challenged spirit?
Review of Fourth Dimension: Ch 1 – What spirit is leading Prophet Cho?
Review of Fourth Dimension: Ch 1 – Cho’s ‘whopperstopper’
Review of Fourth Dimension: Ch 1 – God impregnated David Yonggi Cho?


To justify his teachings on how to to accumulate health and wealth through his law of “incubation”, Cho writes,

“Until that time I had always prayed in vague terms, but from that time until now I have never prayed in vague terms. If God were ever to answer your vague prayers, then you would never recognise that prayer as being answered by God. You must ask definitely and specifically.

The Lord never welcomes vague prayers. When the son of Timaeus, the blind Bartimaeus came running after Jesus Christ, he cried, “Oh, thou Son of David, be merciful to me.” Although everybody knew that Bartimaeus was asking for the healing of his blindness, Christ asked, “What do you want me to do for you?” Christ wants very specific requests. Bartimaeus said, “Sir, I want to see.” Jesus replied, “It shall be done unto you as you believe.” Bartimaeus opened his eyes.

But before he asked specifically for the healing of his blindness, Christ never pronounced the healing. When you bring your request to the Lord, come with a specific request, with a definite objective, with a clear cut goal.”

Source: David Yong-gi Cho, Incubation: A Law of Faith, The Fourth Dimension (Vol 1), Published: US, Bridge-Logos Publishers, 1979. Pg 8.

As you can see, this teaching is absurd. There are plenty of examples that refute this idea that people need to pray specifics for God to actually do something, whether it be physical healing, resurrection or spiritual deliverance:

1. The cripple did not ask for Jesus to heal him at the pool, and resented his healing. (John 5:1-17).
2. Dead men can’t pray. Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead (John 11:38-44). See Jairus’ daughter who was also raised from the dead (Mark 5:21-43).
3. The Legion-possessed man did not pray or ask for deliverance but was delivered (Mark 5:1-20).

There are so many examples of this that David Yonggi Cho should be ashamed of his biblical ignorance on such matters. This passage is a bad example of his idea that we are to birth our miracles.

No where in the above passage did Bartimaeus birth his eyes. Maybe David Yonggi Cho worships Bruce Almighty? After all, this gangster was very specific to Bruce of the details of a miracle and birthed it…

No longer on the wall: Pastor Philip Powell.


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“On your walls, O Jerusalem, I have set watchmen; all the day and all the night they shall never be silent. You who put the LORD in remembrance, take no rest..” Isaiah 62:6 

Churchwatcher - Philip Powell

We are deeply saddened to inform our readers that Pastor Philip Powell of Christian Witness Ministries has gone to be with his beloved Father in Heaven. He was one of the few faithful Pentecostal ministers we know, who dared stand against the onslaught of false teaching overwhelming Australian and New Zealand Christanity. May his work be remembered, cherished and used as a strong warning against the rising corruption coming against the body of Christ.

From Our Hearts at ChurchWatch

Philip Powell has served the body of Christ so faithfully throughout his life. He was a man who walked in exceptional integrity and was fueled by God’s Spirit and Truth, to seeing the Word of God go forth and to see people saved and transformed by the power of God. He was truly a teacher of the Truth; a shepherd for the defenseless, and God’s General in fighting against immorality, corruption and injustice in the Australian and New Zealand churches.

The scripture that comes to mind of Philip Powell is Jeremiah 20:9:

“If I say, “I will not mention him, or speak any more in his name,”
there is in my heart as it were a burning fire shut up in my bones,
and I am weary with holding it in, and I cannot.”

While pastors fell for the temptation to give assurances of peace when there was no peace decades earlier, Powell refused to back down from his biblical duty as a pastor and shepherd.

He had an unbridled fire in his bones that refused to die. It is inspiring to know that Philip Powell lived his life with conviction and strove to be a faithful witness and servant to the life of Jesus Christ.

In the past this pentecostal title of ‘General’ has been bestowed upon frauds. But we want to bestow the original ‘God’s General’ title on Philip Powell because a pastor such as this brought honour to traditional Pentecostal and AOG teachings and values. He fought to defend “the least of these”, and if it was not for his work, one has to wonder if Hillsong, the Australian AOG and the New Zealand AOG would have gotten away with covering up the scandal of pedophilia in their ranks for so long.

Amazingly, Powell fought his opponents with integrity intact. So much so, that corrupt ministers would fear him. He fought against the wicked teachings of men with God’s Truth and he has done an exceptional job bringing men with integrity together to fight against the many evils found in the church today.

He was not a man to compromise, unlike many Pentecostal and AOG ministers today. Instead, he was stubborn to the end and never backed down defending the truth, in light of God’s Word.

To serve, to know, and to work with Philip Powell has been a privilege for us.

It is our prayer that the Australian, New Zealand and the global church recognise the work of this tireless fighter and heed the biblical warning of the times we live in.

Our prayers are with you Kathleen in this time. You married an outstanding man who will be remembered around the world for his courageous work. May the life of your husband inspire other husbands and fathers to step up to the plate to defend and lay their life down for God’s flock.

R.I.P Philip Powell - A defender of the faith and a churchwatcher to be remembered.

R.I.P Philip Powell – A defender of the faith and a churchwatcher to be remembered.

This email was released from Christian Witness Ministries.

Christian Witness Ministries
Contending Earnestly for the Faith

An email received Sunday 26th April 2015 at 12:13pm from Brother Jeff Pitman.

Good Morning Brothers and Sisters

Greetings in the blessed name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

It is with blessed Hope I write this morning, to let you know that your friend and fellow pastor, Philip Lewis Powell has escaped his tent and has met with His Saviour over on the other Shore.

At 3:42am Brisbane Australia, this Lord’s Day, Sunday the 26th of April 2015, the call was given and Philip answered.

I know each of you held a place in Philip’s heart, as you worked with him as fellow Bond Slaves and errand boys, to bring Glory to God in the name of Jesus.

On Behalf of Kathleen and the Family (Powell and Pitman), Thank you for your continued prayer, friendship and labour in the Gospel.

The CWM family here and abroad, by God’s Grace, will continue to keep our hand on the plough, and not look back, until we all can be in the presence of our Saviour.

I look forward to hearing from you, as you are able, and will keep you updated on the Funeral arrangements here in Brisbane.

Please feel free to publicise this news as you see fit.

Every Blessing in Christ!

Jeff Pitman